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TW Vid: All The Pretty Little Horses



Song: All The Pretty Little Horses
Artist: Nick Cave & Current 93
Spoilers: Through CoE
Size: 39.9 MB, avi
Download: here
Streaming: embedded | BAM

Summary: Jack Harkness. Torchwood's Pied Piper.

Notes: I came out of Torchweek a bit obsessed with the idea of Jack as the Pied Piper. I'm sure it's somewhat textually intentional because of his actions with the children in the 60's, but upon further ponderings it actually fits with Jack as a character. He's literally the one who leads Team Torchwood to their doom. Just like the Doctor invites a companion aboard the TARDIS, Jack recruits his team, but they don't quite go on the same ride. They don't get the wonders of the universe. As Suzie puts it, "This planet is so dirty that's all we get, the shit.” Torchwood gets the shorter straw, and everyone falls into an endless cycle of death and madness. It's just how it is.

Looking at the bigger picture proves that ultimately no one comes out of Torchwood unmarked, not even those who survive. I think Robert Browning's poem "The Pied Piper of Hamelin" expresses Gwen's position at the end of CoE in the simplest of ways:

It's dull in our town since my playmates left!
I can't forget that I'm bereft
Of all the pleasant sights they see,
Which the Piper also promised me. (Verse 13)


~ Shoutout to [info]ohvienna for being my sound board on this one. Sometimes it just helps to talk it out. ;)


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ALL THE PRETTY LITTLE HORSES

Hush-a-bye
Don't you cry
Go to sleepy little baby
Go to sleepy little baby
When you wake
You shall have
All the pretty little horses
All the pretty little horses

Blacks and bays
Dapples and greys
All the pretty little horses

Way down yonder
In the meadow
Lies a poor little lamby
Bees and butterflies
Flitting round his eyes
Poor little thing is crying
"Mammy"

Go to sleep
Don't you cry
Rest your head upon the clover
Rest your head upon the clover
In your dreams
You shall ride
Whilst your mammy's watching over

Blacks and bays
Dapples and greys
All the pretty little horses

All the pretty little horses
All the pretty little horses
All the pretty little horses




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[info]intrikate88

July 16 2009, 22:34:06 UTC 2 years ago

That was really ,really well made and captured a good deal of the essence of relationships and their end in Torchwood. I LOVE your Pied Piper theme idea- I hadn't thought of that and its amazing how very true it is.

[info]hollywoodgrrl

July 16 2009, 23:54:25 UTC 2 years ago

Thanks! :) And yay to the Pied Piper theme! It's hella creepy how well it works for Jack.

[info]magicallaw

July 16 2009, 22:36:39 UTC 2 years ago

Oh, Jack. *sniffs*

[info]hollywoodgrrl

July 16 2009, 23:58:03 UTC 2 years ago

IKR. Poor Boe Face. :`( *hands you tissue*

[info]fairyfloss_love

July 16 2009, 22:43:31 UTC 2 years ago

Wow, that is really good.
The song fits very much to the theme. Very well done.

[info]hollywoodgrrl

July 16 2009, 23:58:59 UTC 2 years ago

Thanks so much and thank you for watching! :)

[info]tearful_eye

July 16 2009, 23:13:35 UTC 2 years ago

oh, wow.


this is beautiful & heartbreaking.

i think i love the beginning the most - the way you blend in & out of jack falling down into the darkness - flying, almost. it's stunning. and the parallels you draw between himself as a child, losing direction and not knowing what was happening & then him leading all those children into 'the light' - and he's just standing there... not really knowing what's gonna happen to them either, but knowing that it's probably their destruction. and then the lyrics 'go to sleep little baby' when you focus on that shot - KILLED ME DEAD! poor, misguided, ancient-forever-youthful jack.

& the ianto-death-scene (IANTO! *wails*), the parallel between that scene and his grandson's death is so beautiful. and SUZIE, omg! the suicides. and owen. and tosh. i LOVE that moment where she sees jack for the first time, when she's still imprisoned - and then jack leads her to 'freedom'. but of course it's just an illusion... probably something jack even pretends not to know sometimes. or maybe he really does forget sometimes that he can never save anyone except himself.


erh, right. i better stop babbling now ;) i just really really loved this & i'm still much too affected by coe to be objective here! this vid shows so perfectly the heartbreak & fascination that is torchwood - it's dark & depressive, and somehow still so brilliant it's all worth it.

[info]hollywoodgrrl

July 17 2009, 03:13:18 UTC 2 years ago

Eeeee! Epic comment is epic and delicious. Thank you! :D

I think I agree with you on the beginning as being my favorite as well. For me it's the way the music is practically built for a freaky character introduction. I love the image of Jack falling so much because that's essentially what happened to him. He fell into his immortality (didn't ask for it), fell to Earth, fell into his position at Torchwood. So it was great to have all the children point at him, point at his arrival. It's like they know the monster is coming. :/

poor, misguided, ancient-forever-youthful jack
Face of Boe!

and SUZIE, omg! the suicides. and owen. and tosh. i LOVE that moment where she sees jack for the first time, when she's still imprisoned - and then jack leads her to 'freedom'. but of course it's just an illusion... probably something jack even pretends not to know sometimes. or maybe he really does forget sometimes that he can never save anyone except himself.
SUZIE! ♥ Her and that guy from '99 were so telling of the effects of Torchwood. I thought it was great that we got that extra little glimpse into the cycle of crazy/violence. Yes. Also you speak deepness about Jack and Tosh! I love it.

this vid shows so perfectly the heartbreak & fascination that is torchwood - it's dark & depressive, and somehow still so brilliant it's all worth it.
Lol well thank you! :D I certainly love a show that can beat me into a bloody mess, so yeah. Want moar! ;)

Thanks again for this lovely comment. I enjoyed gushing about the epic tragedy of this show with you. Woot! (Torchwoot!)

[info]foreverseenstar

July 16 2009, 23:14:38 UTC 2 years ago

LOVE IT

[info]hollywoodgrrl

July 17 2009, 03:13:47 UTC 2 years ago

THANK YOU! :D

[info]di_br

July 16 2009, 23:54:37 UTC 2 years ago

This is one of the most brilliant vids I've ever seen! Wow! And it fits Jack's character and Torchwood in just so many ways.
It also made me draw so many paralells between the Doctor and the kind of man Jack is becoming now.
(I'm not sure if that's what you intended, but it just happened! =P)

Anyway, genius. Absolutely genius.

eAnd now I'm wondering if that's what would be of the Doctor if he didn't heave his Tardis (which, judging by the events of "Family of Blood", I'm thinking it's quite possible). And what would happen if Jack had one...

[info]hollywoodgrrl

July 17 2009, 03:35:58 UTC 2 years ago

Oh goodness me. WOW! Comment. :)

You're not far off on the drawing of the parallels between Jack and the Doctor. It's definitely something we're meant to notice. The similarities AND the differences that is. Because ultimately it comes down to the fact that Torchwood is "Doctor Who for adults." So it has to have a Doctor-type character. And I mentioned this in a previous comment, but what I find fundamental in defining Jack (and differentiating him from the Doctor) is that he fell into his immortality. He never asked for it and he certainly wasn't born with it. There's a Placebo song that best describes Jack's situation as being made in "a gruesome act of kindness." And that's exactly what he has become. Gruesome. Because what he experiences isn't a regeneration. He CONSTANTLY dies and comes back the same. Forever. It's unthinkable really.

I love what you said about the Doctor and the TARDIS because it's very true. He would not be able to function. And certainly what happened to Jack was that wait. Living more than a century, waiting for time to catch up so he could finally get the solution to his problem. I'm certain that the wait on Earth really grated on him. And it was all for naught because, as it turns out, there is no solution. Poor Jack. I love him because his issues are epic x infinity. :/

And ILU for this comment! Thank you! :D

[info]di_br

2 years ago

[info]humansrsuperior

July 17 2009, 02:46:56 UTC 2 years ago Edited:  July 17 2009, 02:47:34 UTC

Wow. Um, I don't watch TW so, I'm totally insufficient at commenting on this, but it just has that epic and deep feel to it; I'm sure all the TW fans are adoring this to pieces. It definitely felt shrouded in a dark layer of loss and Bad Things. And it was very pretty; especially at the end showing everyone's deaths and Torchwood written in blood, with the silhouette of Jack going through the doors behind it. Gorgeous. ♥ Also, MAJOR GRAPHIC LOVE!!! *FLAIL*

Sorry I can't come up with more... this is pitiful even for my regular "I don't know what's going on!" review. I just got off a long shift at work, so, me pooped. Just know I think this is awesome. ;)

[info]hollywoodgrrl

July 17 2009, 03:49:28 UTC 2 years ago

Yeah the new TW kicked all our arses with its Infinite Intensity and many many Bad Things that happened. It was...amazing to watch and vid. :P OMG I so desperately wanted to cut the Jack silhouette with the Doctor's silhouette in "Family of Blood" so wicked bad! Haha! Oh instincts. And yay you like the graphic! :DDD

Anyway THANK YOUS for taking a look after a hard day at work. ♥ Here, have a cookie and some chocolate milk. It will help you chillamalax. :)

[info]estel_sparks

July 17 2009, 05:39:27 UTC 2 years ago

Okay, only sort of commenting because I've still yet to finish Day 5 and don't think I can do your vid justice until I've finished watching it in its entirety, but OMG VERA, YOU USED ROBERT BROWNING FOR INSPIRATION. I think my nerdy heart just exploded.

And to think I thought the waxing poetical and BIG PICTURE TALK (aided by legit sources) was restricted to your Seeker vids and meta. HA! That's the last time I underestimate you!

Will be back for major gushing and serious thought SOON.

[info]hollywoodgrrl

July 17 2009, 21:32:18 UTC 2 years ago

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! You are fantastic. :) And yeah, nevar underestimate my ability to meta the shit out of something. Deepness is FTW! :P

Also OMG enjoy Day 5...well as much as one can enjoy THAT. :`(

[info]obsessive24

July 17 2009, 07:39:33 UTC 2 years ago

I adore the concept of Jack as Psychopomp leading everybody down to hell. And, Nick Cave! \o/

The vid flows so beautifully. It's got this amazing air of being a sad, wicked lullaby, and you really brought out the intrinsic horribleness in a man who cannot die, who merely watches as everybody who follows him falls into darkness.

I adore the movement of the fingers at 0:18 like playing the guitar notes.

~0:48 - "all the pretty little horses" with the shot of the hub and Jack/Gwen standing, and the door inviting you to come in - evokes such a beautiful sense of foreboding. It all looks brilliant from the outside, which is all the more heartbreaking because you know where it'll end.

I LOVE the intercutting with running Jack/Grey, and running young!Clem, and Gwen running with the children. The parallels there are incredibly striking.

~1:14 - I was HOPING someone would pick up the parallel between him letting that little girl go with the fairies and letting his grandson go! Yaynes^infinity. :D The way you structured the shots is so poignant.

1:44 - Alice with Steven paralleled with Jack and Ianto!!! Genius!

I really love the little moment at 1:55 connecting the hands on the tie as a visual divide between where there was life and now is only death.

I'm so, so glad that you brought Susie into this. I'd actually forgotten that she shot herself (the first time round, anyway), and the way the clips are used here is so incredibly heavy. I love how you put the movement on the clip at 2:21 to mirror the Gwen one before it.

I'm so in love with the ending. Up to this point I just feel incredibly bad for Jack, but with that quick fade to black at 2:32 and then flaring back up with him coming out of the shadows, it's suddenly like... you fucker. Despite all the bad that you feel for him, you suddenly do realise that it is all his fault to a large extent and, gah. I absolutely love that sense of conflicted loyalty that the ending brings out in me. It's an amazing emotional transition to evoke in such a short time, and just so incredibly well timed on your part. Fantastic!

[info]hollywoodgrrl

July 18 2009, 20:37:39 UTC 2 years ago

Lol I keep reading Psychopomp as PsychoCHOMP. Keep picturing Jack noming. :P

In other news O HAI! I ADORE YOUR COMMENT! And I'm sure you know the kind of glee a vidder gets when you can just tell the audience gets what you're trying to say! So there's quite a bit of YES to what you had to say. :D Especially about the door to the hub inviting you in. That was the whole section of Jack recruiting the Team (though I suppose in hindsight it's most clear with the shots of Tosh and Gwen) and promising them "all the pretty little horses." I loved what you had to say about it.

~1:14 - I was HOPING someone would pick up the parallel between him letting that little girl go with the fairies and letting his grandson go!
Woohoo! \o/ Yeah I remember watching that ep and particularly that moment and couldn't help but think of that poor mother. I mean WTF. Lady lost like everything that day. Jebus. I mean it obviously wasn't as horrible as literally WATCHING your child get murdered by your own father, but still. Horrible nonetheless. So it definitely had to go in and I think you can really feel Jack's distance to humanity because he constantly lets this happen.

I'm so, so glad that you brought Susie into this. I'd actually forgotten that she shot herself (the first time round, anyway), and the way the clips are used here is so incredibly heavy. I love how you put the movement on the clip at 2:21 to mirror the Gwen one before it.
SUZIE. ♥ I should admit that I adore Suzie quite a lot because I love that she represents the other spectrum of Torchwood's effect on the psyche. (Also Indira Varma is such a great actress and needs to stop getting killed off in everything she's in!) So it was great when Jack mentioned her in the actual show at the end there. Her self destruction and that guy from 1999, the one we see from Jack's flashback in "Fragments" who killed the entire Torchwood team back then and then shot himself in front of Jack, would weigh down on Jack just as much as the tragic deaths of Tosh or Owen or the possibility of Gwen having the same fate. So I'm glad you liked the spinny shots. :P

Up to this point I just feel incredibly bad for Jack, but with that quick fade to black at 2:32 and then flaring back up with him coming out of the shadows, it's suddenly like... you fucker. Despite all the bad that you feel for him, you suddenly do realise that it is all his fault to a large extent and, gah. I absolutely love that sense of conflicted loyalty that the ending brings out in me.
:DDD This makes me very pleased. He's "the bad man" in the end, that's for sure and I wanted to keep that sense of duplicity about him at the end there. He IS Torchwood.

I'm completely overwhelmed by the awesome of your comment so epic thanks once again! :D




[info]huntress1013

July 17 2009, 07:44:57 UTC 2 years ago

Really well made but also incredibly sad. My heart just ached for Jack. How much can a man take and he has still an eternity ahead of him.

[info]hollywoodgrrl

July 18 2009, 20:39:12 UTC 2 years ago

Thank you! And yeah, I have to agree with you there. He's done horrible things and will continue to do them, but I just can't help but break a little at the thought that he's constantly gonna remain. Poor poor man. :(

[info]sandrainthesun

July 17 2009, 08:24:54 UTC 2 years ago

Well, go ahead and break my heart all over again.
You know I still haven't watched Day 4 and 5. I'll get to it slowly. First comments, then picspams, than vids and perhaps one day I'll be able to watch the actual scenes without breaking down. (Since I cry only while watching pictures, I think it will take some time. *g*)

Anyway, I love this vid (and hate it a little bit, because it made me cry a little bit again). Esp. the scene when Gwen rights Ianto's tie, cut wiith him doing the same during Cyberwoman.
All those deaths. God, Torchwood got darker than BSG.
This vid is really chilling and the music is perfect for it. I can't decide if I'm afraid of Jack or if I pity him.

Enough rambling. I think I'll brave the vid again to see all those perfect parallels you always find again.

[info]hollywoodgrrl

July 18 2009, 20:44:44 UTC 2 years ago

Oh man, my heart goes out to you. Thank you for braving the vid and commenting. *gives you a box tissues*

Obv I'm of the opinion that in terms of overall story BSG > anything else, but dude, CoE in its entirety pwnd the bleakness. It was DARK. I loved it. I loved everything about it from the pacing to the reveal of the aliens. It was amazing. I've ALWAYS dreamt that Torchwood would go there, but never thought it was possible. So glad it came true. Total PWNAGE.

I can't decide if I'm afraid of Jack or if I pity him.
I think that this is exactly how we're supposed to feel about him, which is so frustrating because I just want to love him. :(

Thanks again for watching. Good luck with Day 4 and 5. ;)

[info]antou_san

July 17 2009, 09:41:34 UTC 2 years ago

I think it's one of the smartest vids I've seen lately. The metaphore was pretty tangible, and the video flows with a sense of irreparable sadness :(
Aawww, poor captain Jack!
Thank you, really. I must take a look in your memories now :D

[info]hollywoodgrrl

July 18 2009, 20:53:06 UTC 2 years ago

Thank you! That's an incredible thing to say and I'm so glad you enjoyed it (if "enjoy" is the right word to use when it comes to this vid). :)

[info]denorios

July 17 2009, 10:52:57 UTC 2 years ago

I'm so bad at commenting and explaining how I reacted to things and what I loved - I usually just descend into flails and squeaks.

But this was...wow. In terms of the emotional punch I'd say it's up there with Flummery's 'Handlebars' vid - one of those that starts so simply and doesn't use flashy effects to achieve its point - it's so simple and like a suckerpunch to the gut.

Oh Jack...

[info]hollywoodgrrl

July 18 2009, 20:55:04 UTC 2 years ago

Wow. THANK YOU! I feel very honored to be placed in the same category as "Handlebars" so yeah, now you've reduced me to flails and squeaks. :P

[info]giandujakiss

July 17 2009, 14:07:44 UTC 2 years ago

That was brilliant. I loved it.

[info]hollywoodgrrl

July 18 2009, 20:55:23 UTC 2 years ago

Thanks!

[info]gchick

July 17 2009, 15:20:21 UTC 2 years ago

I'm kind of heartbroken now. That was fantastic -- and will get many rewatches.

[info]hollywoodgrrl

July 18 2009, 20:57:26 UTC 2 years ago

Aw thank you. :) Here, have a kitteh to make you feel better. *throws kitten at you*

[info]alizarin_nyc

July 17 2009, 15:28:47 UTC 2 years ago

Powerful. I still have trouble articulating how I feel about CoE, but this is a great vid that sums up the parts and shows the pain of Jack's existence.

Again, well done.

[info]hollywoodgrrl

July 18 2009, 20:58:21 UTC 2 years ago

Thank you! It definitely helped me process CoE, making this vid, coming to understand Jack a bit more. Poor bastard.

[info]fragglebo

July 17 2009, 17:37:25 UTC 2 years ago

Oh, wow! That was just perfect and poignant. I love it!

I used to sing this song to my neice when she was a baby.

[info]hollywoodgrrl

July 18 2009, 20:59:36 UTC 2 years ago

Thanks! And also eeeks! I've only heard this song in the context of creepy/sad things to do with children. It scares me a bit. :/

[info]fragglebo

2 years ago

[info]counteragent

July 17 2009, 17:46:50 UTC 2 years ago

Utterly fantastic. Don't know the source except that "everyone dies" but I found it arresting and beautiful.

[info]hollywoodgrrl

July 18 2009, 21:00:47 UTC 2 years ago

Haha! Thanks. :) Yeah the source is usually lulzy except for when it's not and everyone dies. That tends to happen on Torchwood.

[info]danegen

July 17 2009, 18:06:04 UTC 2 years ago

That was. Wow, that was amazing. I'm way behind on Torchwood and haven't seen CoE, but that was jaw-droppingly good.

[info]hollywoodgrrl

July 18 2009, 21:02:02 UTC 2 years ago

Thanks! And I'd definitely go as far as saying that CoE was jaw-droppingly good. It blew my mind a bit with its awesome.

[info]aislingde

July 17 2009, 18:31:05 UTC 2 years ago

Wow! This was... very impressiv. It shows so much of Jack and it fits to the picture I made myself of him.

thank you

[info]hollywoodgrrl

July 18 2009, 21:04:20 UTC 2 years ago

Yay! Thanks! :)

[info]fidesangelus

July 18 2009, 00:09:16 UTC 2 years ago

Eeep.

Well first off. I still am not on good terms with Jack BUT this vid did make me be slightly inclined to reconcile. That said, it was absolutely amazing. Here's my attempt at intelligent sounding reviewing. ;)

The music, I loved not only the actual song selection but the artist you chose. The style of the song, with the bordering on potentially creepy whispering echoes, fits Torchwood SO well! As soon as I heard it I thought, "This is going to be epic" and it was. The overlays, excellent use of some powerful imagery but not having it become distracting. The parallel between Small Worlds and CoE was my favorite thing in this vid. The scenes between Gwen and Jack (her hitting him, them grieving over Ianto, etc) were fantastically placed. Finally, the last shot of Torchwood written in blood as an overlay of Jack walking out is so perfect. He really is leaving Torchwood covered in blood, whether he had any other choice or not.

So even if my review isn't that good, just know I loved the vid and thought you did a fantastic job. ;)

[info]hollywoodgrrl

July 20 2009, 04:02:59 UTC 2 years ago

Re: Eeep.

I think I came to make piece with Jack once I figured out some things about him, and most of the time I just feel so bad for the guy because he's just like the Doctor only in a much shittier position. It's much harder to be Jack and I love what you said about him, his exit from the vid, covered in blood. That's an interpretation that I didn't intend (for me that shot represents the fact that to be part of Torchwood is a price payed in blood) but it absolutely valid.

Isn't this song uber creepy?! That whole album is a scary nightmare so I knew it would be perfect for a post-CoE TW vid. And don't worry, your review was amazing! I loved it and I'm glad you got a chance to see the vid. Thank you once again! :)

[info]charmax

July 18 2009, 04:35:46 UTC 2 years ago

I love the concept and it's execution. I was particularly struck by the clips of Jack's brother intercut with the boy from 1965. It's a very powerful vid.

[info]hollywoodgrrl

July 20 2009, 04:04:57 UTC 2 years ago

Thanks so much! I loved how Jack's backstory fit with the themes of CoE so well. Glad it worked for you as well! :)

[info]ariadneelda

July 18 2009, 12:26:34 UTC 2 years ago

Wow, this is amazing. You captured so much about Jack and Torchwood. Oh, poor, poor... everyone, really. *clutches heart* I love the idea of Jack as the Pied Piper. Heartbreaking and powerful and beautiful vid. I loved it! :) *downloads*

[info]hollywoodgrrl

July 20 2009, 04:05:59 UTC 2 years ago

Thank you! Poor everyone indeed. :/ *pats Face of Boe*

[info]rae1013

July 18 2009, 16:27:08 UTC 2 years ago

That was painful. I've got chills and a raging depression going on now. So, of course, I loved it!

[info]hollywoodgrrl

July 20 2009, 04:08:38 UTC 2 years ago

Haha! Well if I caused massive drops in everyone's serotonin levels then I suppose I've done my job. ;) *throws antidepressants at you* I'm glad you liked it, thanks!

[info]elisi

July 18 2009, 21:51:46 UTC 2 years ago Edited:  July 19 2009, 21:22:03 UTC

I cannot give proper, measured feedback I'm afraid, because this vid just...

*is speechless*

No actually what happens is that I watched it and then had to fight really hard not to cry - both for and because of Jack.

Amazing work, amazing. Also... Nick Cave. Damn.

ETA: OK, slightly more coherent. To echo what someone else said, I think this is definitely Torchwood's 'Handlebars'. Of course Jack=Torchwood, but thinking about it then Jack can also be seen as Torchwood's ultimate victim - they recruited him, made him into their agent, and then after a hundred years put him in charge... Looking at Suzie, we see what just a few years could do. Multiply it, and you get Jack, Torchwood's very own monster:

Ianto: You like to think you're a hero. But you're the biggest monster of all.

Jack: Began to like it. And look what I became.


Um... this is not really about the vid specifically, is it? I love the beginning, with the children pointing to Jack, and the parallels between young Gray and Clem, and the sacrifice of Jasmine and Stephen... ("What else could I have done?") and all the suicides and the blood... beneath all the crack there was always a heart of darkness in Torchwood, and this vid exposes it in the most heartbreakingly beautiful way. ("It was art. The destruction of a human being." AtS 5.11)

Also, at the shot of Frobisher all I could think was "We want a pony", which just added a whole new level. I am in *awe* of this vid.

[info]hollywoodgrrl

July 20 2009, 04:54:42 UTC 2 years ago

Man, I really can't thank you enough for this comment. It's just so rich with emotion and vid love (as in awesome discussion that stems from vids, not just OMG love for my vid :P) and smartitude! I love it and ILU!

Srsly, everything you said about Jack, from his origins to the Angel quote is wonderful. This is why one of my favorite parts of the vid is the beginning, with the children (and Clem) pointing at him as he falls to Earth. They can see the monster coming before anyone else can.

I personally adored CoE because it was more srs bzns than anything we've seen on TW before. It was hardly TW because of the sheer overall awesome. But S1 and S2 did have their moments of consistent darkness, and Jack never stopped being Jack. So yeah, I do love to present Torchwood as less cracky as possible. But I do that to Doctor Who as well. It's just something I seem to do. :P

Also I should reiterate that being put in the same category as "Handlebars" is a huge honor and I am quite taken. Thank you! :D *beams*

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